*Also in synastry- my 12th house Juno in Taurus also sits in his 12th house) And what does it mean our 12th. I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. It is commonly thought that the Moon governs emotions and intuition, and it does. If the Composite Sun is in the 1 st House, there will be a focus on this relationship. Hi Daw I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? Everywords pounding in me. When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. The Davison chart is a time/space chart and is anchored in the here and now. I dont have enough information, but the chart emphasis leads me to believe that you are right in your analysis, that the partnership finds its life in the upper houses. Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. He says what on thinking. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. Lilith in : 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th Lilith - astrology meaning Black Moon - Fascination and Denial Lilith is a fictional point - the second empty focal point of . clearly the 1st has the most planets, but you said the sun was the essence of the chart,its in scorpio in the 12 house. Composite Neptune conjunct the angles (within 4 to 5 degrees) gives Neptune prominence in the relationship. Im so confused by this mix! I didnt see him for a year after we split up and then ran into him last year out of nowhere. !! In synastry, the house the Moon is in will show the area of life that someone touches another on a deep and personal level. In Hebrew tradition, Lilith was Adam's first wife. Thank you very much Dawn. Is there nothing better to hope for? To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. Aghh! In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. He didnt want to commit/marry. VERY-VERY SORRY! oh gosh do not i know this! It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. Any advice would be helpful. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. The Sun and Moon in the 7th house are especially encouraging for a new relationship (if you're single) because your main focus for the year (the Sun) plus your emotional concerns will be united in that area. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. North Node conjuncts Desc. Pluto is elevated in the composite chart close to the midheaven in the 9th. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. I say empty.. no planet but Asteroid Osiris is 26 Aries. And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. Any insight you may have would be extremely helpful, I am having difficulty understanding this 12th house energy. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. Our strongest aspect is Saturn Trine Moon. Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. but the rising is scorpio. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. cheers:). And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. Im blessed to remember some past lives weve had and we have definitely come together to mend some old wounds and learn to forgive and love one another. There are 12 houses of Nessus divided according to the sun signs, such as the rst house belongs to Aries, the second house to Taurus, and so on. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. In astrology, the Twelfth House governs the unconscious, addiction, jails, higher self, and psychic abilities. They feel invisible or alone. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. The trauma you have experienced can be in relationships. After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. what do you think it means to have such much weight in the 1st and 12th houses? Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. I am not an expert but this artical ssure proves the writer of it right! We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. I mean, for the 2 people IN the relationship it will be a very impactful connection, but even other people will take notice of this pairing. Could I ask Your opinion? He is a pisces rising with neptune conjunct his midheaven. *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) Chiron. You might have a relationship that was so intense, which left you hurting. Your article is amazing! Through the sixth house, you must learn to function in the world efficiently and take up the calling to serve Humanity. Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (thats what I gathered anyway). I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. Mine is conjunct with his moon. Reply. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. My english is not very good. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. 00 Angel Number, 00 Angel Number Twin Flame. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Since your Part of Fortune is in the 12th house of your birth chart, the sixth house is the opposite house. Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! Just endings in general. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. The Autumn Schedule is Here! i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. Youre a poet of poets. Hi! I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. (Because the moon's orbit is elliptical, it has two center . We are still friends and well always love each other. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. That may mean leaving you behind. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. )~~~a reader with Sun in Neptune and Saturn and Mars both in 12th house. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. great post- thank you! Im always attracted to those types of relationships What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? Natal Sun in Gemini and Venus in Cancer in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct my Cancer ASC. But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? The attraction was instant. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? A recent class in assassins revealed that the victims often had many planets in the shooters 12th house. You are great!!!!!!!!!!! But I do have one question? Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. Thanks Dawn! In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. And it KILLS ME! Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. The point is not that the telepathy is an illusion, the point is that its real, but it doesnt matter. Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. 12th House Meaning. Greetings. We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. Who cares? The feelings I have are much deeper than lust and infatuation. More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) Composite Houses, I'll begin, of course, with the Ascendant and the first quadrant of the chart. I dont know why im writing you this because uncounsciously know this relationship was all about love and let go. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. The Anti-Vertex, on the other hand, is located in the opposite house of the Vertex (the 11 th , 12 th , 1 st , 2 nd , or 3 rd houses), which relate to personal concerns . (Were married 16 years, and now we are old!) I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. venus all in the 12th house. What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. Loving and letting go, as well as maturing your love into a transcendant form of love where you are able to love so deeply that you give it the potential to annihilate you, yet you learn to let go and allow the natural changes in the state of our being has been a reoccurring theme of my life. I was the Sun/Ascendant person, while he was the Lilith person. The composite chart is probably the best known. My sun in the 3rd is squeezed in a T-square between Saturn in Pisces, in the 6th and Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, in the 12th. Emotional Suppression. That was over three years ago. Haunting With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. 1. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it.